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Post 47 – Trial – Douglas Kinder (part 4)

We got distracted, back to trial. Jason was charged with stealing $63,974 from PayPal. A few things to remember. All of the money in PayPal was from the sales of Visalus which was paid for by the sellers. We are still confused as to how the State does not realize that people have to be reimbursed for their Visalus purchases. Also, everyone knows that PayPal tracks every transaction. While the prosecution and judge did tell the jury that Jason transferred the money to other accounts, the PayPal records show the money going to the post office, Visalus, and sent to a sports card dealer that the PHCA was selling PlayStation and iTunes gift cards for. All legitimate expenses. But as you see below, Kinder chose not to verify. Since it did not go to the PHCA account, it was stolen. Pg. 716 Kinder “So when there was money going in they would deposit it, basically ACH it back to the Key Bank general fund account. From 8/20 of 2012 through 7/12 of 2013 a total of $159,216.93 was transferred into the PHCA KeyBank account ending in 1847 from Paypal. Total designated incoming PayPal from all non-fundraisers was $223,190.94. There appears to be, then, in Ms. Clifton’s record, $63,974.01 in designated PayPal fundraising funds unaccounted for.” At the risk of being considered sarcastic, is this the same “human” Ms. Clifton that due to your highly ethical certified fraud examiner position, you would have verified her numbers? Or was this the non-human version of Ms. Clifton?

Pg. 747 Kinder “The $63,974.01, those are deposits that were made into the account directly from PayPal that I can’t determine where they went at all after they reached those accounts….” Just a thought. Look at the account records.

Pg. 750 Beard “Do you know who was paying for the Visalus?” Kinder “Well, it was a combination of different things. There was a lot of money that was coming out for Visalus products. I believe there is a slide somewhere about that. So the exact number right now escapes me. But there is a large sum of money that came out of the Key Bank general fund account ending in 1847 that was being paid for out of the general fund. And then it appears, after a while, after the sales got good. I noticed that sometimes Visalus was being paid for out of Ms. Koester’s general fund account. Like I would notice commission checks go in and then she would place an order and then the money would go back out for the Visalus, you know, to purchase more product. Then obviously more commission would come back in. There were some commissions that were deposited back into PHCA KeyBank general fund account. But then again, it then appears those funds went right back to buy more Visalus product.” Exactly.

Full disclosure, Doug Kinder was the only witness allowed to be in the courtroom while everyone testified. Serda, Pratt, Koester, and Clifton had already testified to how it worked and this still confused Kinder. You also need to remember nearly $100,000 of this theft accusation is attributed to money going to Kristie Koester.

Pg. 753 Beard “And were you able to determine then who it was that paid for this, the invoice for this? Who paid for the Visalus product?” Kinder “Just not with this one. Along with some of the other invoices that I looked at. A lot of these were showing that payments were coming out of Miss Koester’s account. Instead of those individuals paying for all of that product themselves, the records that I reviewed, the large majority of them, appear to be having — and I can’t say all — but the large portion of them had their product purchased out of this account or maybe PHCA account.”

So just a few facts that can be verified through the records we have provided on this site. Over $231,000 in Visalus was purchased. According to these records, over $86,000 was spent on Kristie and Dawid’s three main credit cards, which obviously had to be reimbursed.

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